December 22, 2010
DOCUMENT: Bizarre, K-12

Boy, 13, Busted For Illegal Marker Possession

Oklahoma math teacher in citizen's arrest of student

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Child Marker Arrest

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DECEMBER 22--A 13-year-old boy was arrested Friday for using a permanent marker while in class at his Oklahoma City middle school, a violation of an obscure city ordinance.

According to an Oklahoma City Police Department report, the boy was spotted “in possession of a permanent marker” by Roosevelt Middle School teacher DeLynn Woodside. The 50-year-old educator told cop Miguel Campos that the student was “writing on a piece of paper, which caused it to bleed over onto the desk.”

Woodside, pictured at right, reported that the child, whose name was redacted by police from the report, attempted to hide the marker when she asked him for it. Strangely, Woodside’s Facebook page reveals that her “likes and interests” include the official “Sharpie Permanent Markers” page on Facebook.

Campos reported that he allowed Woodside, a seventh grade math teacher, to “sign a citation” against the boy, who was then transported to the Community Intervention Center, a juvenile holding facility. A police sergeant subsequently “booked the marker into the property room.”

A police spokesman referred to the student’s bust as a “citizen’s arrest” effectuated by Woodside.

The marker ban--which apparently is aimed at curbing graffiti--stems from a city ordinance making it illegal to possess spray paint or a permanent marker on private property (without the owner’s permission). (2 pages)

Child Marker Arrest

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Comments (558)

Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 07:37.
Schools don't have the authority to make any kid do anything at all. A former teacher has already pointed out that this school has gang issues which is why these markers are prohibited. The boy was marking up his desk, he defied the teacher. People like those posting here will automatically defend the child and throw the teacher under the bus, that is why the cops are called. Own it.
Submitted by danewsh on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:08.
Detention, Suspension, etc...Own it...calling the cops is a COP OUT. The police report says it all...arrested for Sharpie possession. She wouldn't fit under a bus anyway.
Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:12.
You ought to read the source documents. Calling the cops is what good teachers do in a society where the parents are only a little less ignorant than their kids.
Submitted by caligula on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:28.
This unfortunately is a case of a horrible teacher unwilling to do her job...and teach.
Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:56.
Why do liberals always make excuses for bad behavior?
Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:38.
Thirty years ago this would have been viewed as a kid who needs his arse tanned and the teacher would have contacted the kid's parents. These days teachers know the parents don't give a damn or will sue her.... so parents these days get to pick their kids up at the police station. Ironic.
Submitted by melissatx on Thu, 2010-12-23 07:41.
"The marker ban--which apparently is aimed at curbing graffiti--stems from a city ordinance making it illegal to possess spray paint or a permanent marker on private property " Where is the reference to gang activity in OK City?
Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 07:54.
Google it or go down thread. A former teacher from this school commented on this.. The fact that this individual defied a teacher in front of her class ought to be a good starting point.
Submitted by danewsh on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:12.
"The fact that this individual defied a teacher in front of her class ought to be a good starting point." Yeah that never happens in school...Can you imagine the police blotter in this town...
Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:19.
Yes. It's called Disrupting a School. Thirty years ago we didn't have this problem much because parents supported teachers. These days parents are inclined to support their kid and call the teacher names.
Submitted by danewsh on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:41.
Because they understand who they're dealing with...the education machine that has put us 25th worldwide in Math...Own it! Go Boo Hoo to your union...maybe they'll negotiate another 4 weeks off for summer..some more school breaks, early releases, field trips and an automatic wage increase for obtaining another useless diploma.
Submitted by caligula on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:30.
Yes, a boy quietly writing on a piece of paper is very disruptive. I guess in a left-wing Nazi totalitarian society like Barack Obama's, where he has neighbors spying on one another, we can expect more of this. Bad teachers and ridiculous Oklahomo laws. Nice work ruining a boy's life over a...let me stop laughing...magic marker, dolts.
Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:39.
I'm a conservative that thinks 13 year olds ought to be held accountable for their actions.
Submitted by danewsh on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:45.
as should teachers who send kids to jail for marker violations...she should be hounded until she has to leave town. I'm with Bush...I believe the best defense is a good offense. I'd make sure this POS didn't so much as make turn without signaling...that she didn't exceed 5mph in the school parking lot...that she didn't throw out any toxic chemicals in the garbage...that she didn't make so much as a 1 dollar mistake on her taxes...or else the gulag.
Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 09:08.
Why do liberals always make excuses for bad behavior?
Submitted by caligula on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:43.
Sure you are libnut. I've seen your kind before, marauding as something you're not. Conservatives abide by the teach a man to fish rule, which would have had the teacher explaining the law to the student to actually educate him. He should have been held accountable by the school libnut. Not the police.
Submitted by JR on Thu, 2010-12-23 06:05.
No. It stretches all credulity that she bypassed whatever disciplinary process the whole school must adhere to and instead calls the cops. Teachers don't make those policies but they're supposed to follow them, and I doubt that there is a straight between teacher and law enforcement in those same said policies, unless perhaps there was violence involved. You don't just demand a pen, have the kid lie about it and completely ignore your administration and school policies, even if the kid has a history of being a PITA. Public schools are nothing if not a hotbed of rules, enough to fill a phone book. If the administration and the district supports what she did, I'll eat my hat.
Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 06:10.
Schools don't have "disciplinary processes" anymore. Schools and teachers who attempt to discipline children are sued into bankruptcy by people who think schools have too many rules. Little Johny was busted vandalizing a desk with the marker and refused to relinquish it. Johny learned a valuable lesson that day.
Submitted by danewsh on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:17.
Yes he learned a lesson...the lesson being 1/2 your teachers are idiots and only have their jobs because they're not qualified to do anything else, which is why they join unions instead of standing on their own two feet like a professional. This one was probably fired from McDs for eating the garbage.
Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:22.
Well I don't disagree with that assessment. Teachers unions are a favorite of progressives. Oddly though it isn't conservatives that generally have issues with things like discipline, prayer, the pledge of intelligence and corporal punishment.
Submitted by Callie369 on Thu, 2010-12-23 04:34.
First, PUBLIC SCHOOLS are not private property. Second, this obese piece of chicken-crap should be fired. And, I hope the parents of the boy sues her for malicious persecution. It's no wonder education in the U.S. is lower than a lot of 3rd world countries with garbage like this (instructing) students. Just looking at her makes me want to puke!
Submitted by kilocharlie7 on Thu, 2010-12-23 05:34.
First, Public Schools ARE private property, they're privately owned and operated by the state government. How do I know, I work at a state facility with public access to the grounds and our security retains the right to dismiss people from the grounds under private property laws. Same applies to public schools, otherwise they couldn't prevent anyone from entering and loitering at any school since it would be public property. I know for a fact that they regularly ask suspicious individuals to leave school property and when necessary even have them cited with trespassing tickets. Second, she doesn't need to be fired, but should be the recipient of a stiff reprimand. Just because a law is on the books, doesn't always mean it needs to be enforced. Some laws are just poorly written and need to be reworked, others are completely out of date and need to be removed. Personally, I think it would be a bit more poetic if one of her students had her arrested for using a sharpie at the school. Finally, insulting an individual and calling them garbage doesn't give your statement any more validity. And for the record, the U.S. is lower than a lot of 3rd world countries in education because most parents in America don't take an active role in their child's education and treat the education system as a free, government sponsored, babysitting service.
Submitted by prneal77 on Thu, 2010-12-23 06:47.
Actually you would be incorrect. Public Schools are indeed public property as is ANY Government property. The differences lie in what type of access is allowed under various laws etc. Here is a source: http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/access-public-property. There is no such thing as "privately" owned by the government. If the law in question specifically bans permanent markers on private property without mention of any type of public property I'd guess that there could be some settlement money in this young man's future. I do agree though that she probably should not be fired. I know that teachers have to deal with a lot of crap from students because of all the mamby pamby PC crap that takes away just about any authority they have thus creating power vacuums in the classrooms which can lead to unruly students etc. As for the poetic justice you speak of I'd assume that even if you were correct in your assessment of what constitutes private/public property the Teacher would probably have the permission necessary to use a permanent marker at the school.
Submitted by donna on Thu, 2010-12-23 03:36.
Adults with no common sense...the cop and the teacher need to have their little bitty itty bitty selves and bottoms spanked and a finger pointed into their faces while a grown up says, bad bad boy and bad bad girl. For Shame. Both need to be removed from their positions immediately just for being STUPID and IDIOTs. How would you like to have those two as neighbors or spouses. Ohhh I shutter to think yukkk! If I was that boys parents I'd be making at the lawyers tomorrow in the morrning waiting for the office to open up. If they don't have the money as many don't these days, I hope that an attorney will step up and take this case...it would be the RIGHT thing to do. The teacher and cop did the WRONG thing, the teacher is a sociopath and needs psyche help and someone in AUTHORITY AND RATIONAL needs to remove her from her post before she harms any other children. The cop is a coward and oh so easy to manipulate...wuus, put him on desk duty, pronto, he has no business dealing with the public because he cannot think and perform RATIONALLY.
Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 06:03.
Bottom line, the boy was caught writing on his desk with the instrument, then refused to turn it over when she demanded it of him. Hopefully, the little angel will be prosecuted for vandalism and made to pay to repair or replace to desk. As you pointed out, teachers have to consider that people like you will be waiting for their lawyers offices to open first thing in the morning to sue a teacher for any reason at all. Therefore, little Johny doesn't get a break like he would have thirty years ago.
Submitted by melissatx on Thu, 2010-12-23 07:29.
He was not writing on the desk. He was writing on paper and it blead through on the desk. That is not vandalism, just poor planning.
Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:40.
Read the source documents.
Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 07:41.
Google it. This is only part of the story. He was caught marking up the desk, was told to turn over the marker. He refused. He made several bad choices and got arrested. Lesson learned, hopefully.
Submitted by melissatx on Thu, 2010-12-23 07:31.
The 50-year-old educator told cop Miguel Campos that the student was “writing on a piece of paper, which caused it to bleed over onto the desk.”
Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 07:44.
By from the oklahoman Published: 12/23/2010 2:38 AM "Seventh-grade math teacher Delynn Woodside noted that the marker had bled through a piece of paper onto a desk and told a police officer that she also saw the youth writing on the desk with the marker, the report says."
Submitted by danewsh on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:22.
So what? Only an idiot would call the police...that's the issue. Next we'll hear about her concern for the students well being...although clearly she's not the nutrition councelor.
Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 08:24.
Only someone who has no faith in the likelihood the parents have any common sense would call the police. That seems to be the case in schools all across America these days.
Submitted by jlewis915 on Thu, 2010-12-23 02:03.
The teacher and law enforcement would have had a real problem on their hands if the child had been here illegally. Then what do you do? Arrest? Not arrest. Amnesty? Citizenship? Very confusing.
Submitted by comprof on Thu, 2010-12-23 01:59.
No wonder our education system has failed with teachers stupid enough to have a boy arrested for having and using a permanent marker on paper. She and the power hungry stupid legislators that passed such a law should be jailed for stupidity.
Submitted by tempestinateapot on Thu, 2010-12-23 01:39.
While this teacher is obviously an overly dramatic jackwagon looking desperately for some excitement in her life, her size and physical appearance have nothing to do with her attitude. There are some wonderful teachers in this world who are large people and are probably not what mainstream society would consider "attractive." Then again, there are some absolutely deplorable teachers who would be considered attractive and are atrocious human beings who seduce twelve and thirteen year old boys. I would hope that people could keep their assessments of the situation above a junior high level of thinking. This woman's physique has nothing to do with her idiotic behavior in this instance. Whatever one's size, a sensible person would have simply confiscated the marker and told the young man not to bring one to school again. If he was a repeat offender, he might be sent to the principal's office. The action taken by this teacher was completely over the top and unnecessary.
Submitted by Dale Anderson on Thu, 2010-12-23 01:33.
Last time I checked a school was not "private property".
Submitted by jackulas on Thu, 2010-12-23 01:19.
Something tells me vandalism is illegal in Oklahoma City as well. So, why making marker possession illegal? Do we expect thugs to obey some laws while disregarding others? This is the sort of twisted throw-the-baby-out-with-the-bathwater logic that causes my brain to freeze. Bottom line here is a bored, fat, "educator" with WAY too much time on her hands. So tired of these educators whining about how tough these kids are to deal with. Ever try teaching them some respect? Then we wouldn't have to have all these silly rules.
Submitted by Jack McElwee on Thu, 2010-12-23 00:59.
Boy this lady needs to get a real life man! Wait'll this kid's parents get through suing the state, the school, the district, the city, the board of education, the teacher and whoever the devil else their attorney can think of- their kid will be able to buy Harvard and Yale! This one ranks as Stupid Crap #1 for the year in my book! Right up there with the school in Montgomery County PA that used laptops to spy on their students- at home! Imagine if these kids like using their laptops in the bathroom like Ralphie did when de decoded Lil Orphan Annie on A Xmas Story! Open query: Is A Smoking Gun still affiliated with Set Green's Robot Chicken animated spoof series? Thanks a lot. Happy holidays and may Kami bless you and grant you all a safe and joyous holiday season- K&K
Submitted by N37BU6 on Thu, 2010-12-23 00:55.
"The marker ban--which apparently is aimed at curbing graffiti--stems from a city ordinance making it illegal to possess spray paint or a permanent marker on private property" Using this logic, every object and activity known to man can be banned.
Submitted by Dale Anderson on Thu, 2010-12-23 01:37.
Kinda like "disorderly conduct"... if they have no legitimate reason for imprisonment, they can always use the "disorderly conduct" card.... one size fits all.
Submitted by waldothegreat on Thu, 2010-12-23 00:08.
Its funny reading all these posts from people who have no clue how things really work in public education. I taught at this school for a few years, and hearing this story makes me glad I left teaching in the inner city. There is a no tolerance rule on markers in the school. The reason being is that every day when the rule was not enforced, the bathrooms and halls were constantly tagged with gang writings. Not just some small things either, but all over and things that were eventually leading to gang fights in school. It may seem a little "over the top" to most of you to have a student arrested, but my guess is that the reason is because as with all OKC schools, the principal will not back the teachers and enforce the rules because they are afraid some left winger who feels their feelings and rights were violated will sue them. As is obvious with a lot of the post on here. Go work in one of these schools were you cannot discipline a student, get cussed out daily, and threatened with violence, then come one here talk about how you just can't believe it.
Submitted by melissatx on Thu, 2010-12-23 07:33.
This wasn't the inner city, it was Oklahoma.
Submitted by Redrover on Thu, 2010-12-23 06:34.
Excellent comment. Most of the people commenting here will someday, when they have children, be a big part of the reason our teachers are inclined to call a cop rather than a parent when they need help with a kid.
Submitted by Dale Anderson on Thu, 2010-12-23 01:43.
It sure would be nice if the government would not have taken the job of parenting away from the parents.... Kid steals something the parents pay, the kid skips school the parents pay the fine... The parent spanks the kid, they goto jail. The USA will be like Africa in about 35 years..
Submitted by Flannigan on Thu, 2010-12-23 00:04.
If Roosevelt Middle School is a public school, then this **** had this child arrested undeservedly so and should be ripe for a lawsuit, or at least an appology.
Submitted by SamInTheSouth on Wed, 2010-12-22 23:43.
She looks like Ms Choksondik from South Park.
Submitted by Frank Porter FL on Wed, 2010-12-22 23:41.
I sometimes get bored and go to a site that doesn't keep their content online for very long, those of you that go there know the one I speak of. Anyway one of the many changing threads that goes on periodically is where someone shoves a SHARPIE up their pooper and they take a picture and post it. Now I may be wrong, I doubt it but maybe, but I believe that I have seen pictures of this teacher several times bare a$$ed with a SHARPIE stuffed up her hind end, maybe that's her whole problem... the waste of a good SHARPIE.
Submitted by Robert Owens on Wed, 2010-12-22 23:23.
If this teacher could behave in an adult manner, she should have been able to resolve the issue without police involvement. I smell lawsuit by the parents!
Submitted by SpectreDeed on Wed, 2010-12-22 23:04.
I've read many of your postings. Most of you folks have stolen my thunder. Some of the postings get awfully long-winded. Indulge me as I parry counter-points~ It appears Common Sense has taken a Holiday in DeLynn's neck-o-the-woods. Ok, somebody had to say that! This is coming from Hawaii. I feel safe~ Stephen.
Submitted by mmdumas on Wed, 2010-12-22 22:50.
Ok everyone listen up, especially the idiot Police Department involved here. Hard to believe a Department can be so incompetent. You CAN ONLY MAKE A CITIZENS ARREST FOR A FELONY!!!!! This is not a felony, therefore not a citizens arrest. Time for that Public Affairs Officer to go back to the academy. What an embarrassment for your department. You don't even know the law. I can't wait to see defense attorneys bringing this up in real cases. "Your honor, this department is so incompetent they can't even get this right!"
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